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calling all beings y'all

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what

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yeah baby

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welcome back to calling all beings it is

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a very special night we're gonna do it a

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little bit different i'm your host dj

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we're gonna intro everybody but it's

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gonna be after we bring on our special

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guest we've been waiting for this man

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longer than i've been waiting for hair

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and i mean i think i literally still had

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hair when i wanted lou on this show and

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now i don't so i i don't know it's been

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a while but anyway all right this

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floridian brother right here is a

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retired member of the us army's intel

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community he's the former director of

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the advanced aerial threat

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identification program he finna drop

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some knowledge on you he's going to use

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words like equities and portfolios and

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some stuff like this that i'm going to

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be saying at work tomorrow but wait wait

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a minute wait a minute dj you'll back up

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oh wait hold on a minute man all right

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moto gp legend is here number 46

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valentino rossi sir i'm current yes so

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you tell me you are going to allow me to

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introduce lou and now you've got to get

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out of the way of course i am

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moto gp legend number 46 valentino rossi

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and i want to welcome

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okay party people put your hands

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together

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oh boy hello it's so good to meet you

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and i have you one question to start off

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the program lou uh you are in a san

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marino a ufo conference

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moto gp was in mizano racing and you

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don't come and watch me race what is

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happening here

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yeah uh unfortunately i couldn't get my

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uh visa approved for italy there's a few

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countries i've been still on the naughty

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list so i'm i'm trying to work through

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those uh you know excuse me uh but uh in

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this particular case

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um you know i'll try for next year luigi

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you use my name you're going to come

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right in you say i am with the 46. next

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time i'm going to fake hey

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hey valentino bacca it's my show brother

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all right so lou welcome brother it's so

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good to have you man

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um let's really appreciate it guys and

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gals and uh i can't thank you enough um

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apologies i know this is a long time

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coming um as you can tell this is a bit

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of a celebration for me

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um it is uh my last podcast

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so this is it

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and so uh i guess in celebration of that

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you will see me in a little bit more uh

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relaxed comfortable attire

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showing my my old florida roots and uh

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this to cover a terrible bad hair day

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not that i ever have a good hair day

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because we don't but but some days are

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worse than others in fact i have a no

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hair day most of the time and so um

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thank you for allowing me to share this

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uh this evening with you with you folks

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i really really appreciate it and really

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looking forward to it it's an incredible

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honor sir uh i was gonna if you had the

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goatee i was gonna ask you about what

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kind of beard conditioner since i'm not

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seeing that i'm going to leave that

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aside and we are going to introduce

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we're going to do something a little

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different tonight than we do on cad

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we're each going to introduce ourselves

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to you something that we just sort of

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came up with today so i'm dj a retired

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af sock flight engineer flew uh talons

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combat talents flew gunships and uh i'm

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a yoga student and teacher

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i'm an empath i'm a pretty underwhelming

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grappler and just a lover of life in

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general and that's me

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uh and let me pass it to nathan

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yeah lou great to have you with us this

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evening so i co-founded this show with

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dj and i have a background in religion

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and i've been seeking answers regarding

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these questions of ultimate importance

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importance my whole life

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i'm focused on the impact of the

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phenomenon on the human experience

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and i believe that truth whatever it is

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is going to be found in our dialogue

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with one another and in our willingness

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to ask the big bold questions and

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every once in a while we'll also cosplay

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as jaylen heineck

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my co-conspirator right there

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and now let's pass it over to kevin our

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humorist

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hey my name is kevin so i'm the graphic

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designer and the uh i do all the

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trailers for them

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i'm a martial artist also i'm a husband

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to an amazing wife and father of five

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i also teach special ed in a school

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setting with the goal of transitioning

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students diagnosed with autism to a less

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restrictive school setting so i

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researched the phenomenon through the

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lenses of of my work through a skinner

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also i uh i'm inspired by young terence

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mckenna bruce lee and uh

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yeah we'll just stop over there

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okay i also like um i like slow walks on

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the beach because you're not a bad hit

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one day a squirrel uh got stuck on my

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leg and he told me that gobekli tepi is

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actually a ancient rest stop

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i love it i love flare all right let's

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pass up this is our researcher uh and

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contextualizer deb collates tons of

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information she hosts a show called

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deb's data dojo and she also has a

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website called the ufo connector with

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tons and tons of information ma'am

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okay you just kind of took away my intro

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for me dj but it's cool i'm yeah i'm a

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mental health practitioner

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i was invited to help with exploring the

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uap hypothesis and i really wanted to do

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it in an open-minded way that was

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informative supportive and i really like

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that we're really

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oriented towards free information and

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charitable

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a voice to people who have been silenced

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for a really long time on this issue

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and um i wanted to add that we have

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something in common

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i too have been told by someone who

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worked at the pentagon to stop talking

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about ufos

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[Laughter]

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join the club

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all right let's pass it over to our

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newest member of cab who um we're so

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happy to have she joined us a show or

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two ago and miss stephanie

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and you guys aren't the only one on that

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i've been told the same so i'm in that

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same club uh i'm stuff i'm from uap

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experiencers i'm the founder and i

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provide a platform for

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all things uap

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phenomenon related

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for experiencers to come forth and share

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their testimonials i

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also am an experiencer myself and i you

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feel for all the people who have been

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stifled throughout these you know past

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years that have no place to really share

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so that's where i come forth and uh my

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family did also own and operate an

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aerospace machine shop in southern

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california and we provided airplane

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parts to

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lockheed boeing mcdonnell douglas

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northrup you name it and we were part of

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the stealth project and the apollo

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i've often said this before and i mean

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if you want to uh if you want to learn

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what's out there you first have to learn

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about what's in here um

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we all we all look at things

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certain things in commonality you know

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if we all look at the sun it hurts our

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but uh we don't all look at everything

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the same way and this is a topic that's

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that's certainly uh in that category

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where where a lot of people will look at

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it as as the three blind

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trying to describe an elephant right and

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each person is holding a different part

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of the elephant one is holding the trunk

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and saying no this is this animal is

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long and slender and articulated and

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someone else is holding the foot and

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the animal

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it's like a tree trunk it's sturdy and

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talking about it's neither one of those

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the thing is soft and delicate

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and almost paper-like right and the

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they all right from their perspective

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i think we need to realize that uh we um

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we simply don't have all the data yet

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and we're human beings and we're

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imperfect creatures and we're going to

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process information differently

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uh each and every one of us and i also

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want to give a quick before we begin a

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profound thank you for those who who

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continue to serve our communities

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whether it's in special education

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or helping experiencers or helping

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people through psychological or

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emotional trauma

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uh those who served our countries um

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listen i was in a 58 model ac 130

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gunship and uh boy one hell of an

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experience for sure

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um and uh just a big thank you and it's

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amazing that everybody can be here in

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this community

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and um and and come together um

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martial arts i did a lot of uh early on

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as a kid started with with like most

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kids i guess taekwondo and then i really

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got into muay thai uh i'm not a matter

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of most people ever met me i'm not a i'm

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not a tall guy i tend to be very stocky

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and so i don't have the advantage of

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leverage um so i got into you know i

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wasn't very good at sports wasn't good

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at football or baseball i was always the

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last kid picked on the team

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in fact i was uh more of a liability i

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was always like where literally

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everybody was picked before me and

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they're like oh god we got to live

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put him in the parking lot he can catch

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a ball out there um

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so that was pretty much pretty much me

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and so i got very good at um

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at muay thai um and

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you know at first i realized i i i took

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these and i got very good at at

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combat style you know martial arts

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and initially it's because i'm going to

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protect myself and and i'm going to use

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it to beat up the bullies that have been

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beating me up

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and i realize after a while um

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i never use it for that in fact uh it

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wound up becoming something where the

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more you learn the more you learn

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self-restraint and the more you realize

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that that's not the way to approach a

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problem um you don't you don't fight

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your way out of a problem unless you

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absolutely have to and that's what

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that's what war is for

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uh and we should try to avoid as much as

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possible and so

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when it comes to this topic there's a

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lot of emotions there's a lot of people

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that are are have have their opinions

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and i'm you know i try to be as

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respectful as possible and i try to

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remind myself although sometimes i'm not

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very good at it

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to try to be respectful of everybody's

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position uh and their opinions because

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everybody's opinion does matter uh and

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um

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just you know before we have this

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conversation today just want to let you

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all know my intent is for all of us to

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be able to share a wonderful

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conversation together

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please feel free to ask me anything you

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want you're not going to hurt my

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feelings you're not going to surprise me

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you're not going to upset me

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please feel free to ask me anything you

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want this is it this is my my last

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podcast for who knows how long uh maybe

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sometime in the future i'll do i'll do

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more but for now i'm pretty much getting

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off social media i still have my twitter

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page to put information out but

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i'm going to continue working behind the

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scenes in the shadows

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you know we're so happy to have you lou

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and we're really here to have some fun

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and we might answer a couple questions

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while we're at it uh that's what this

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party is all about um what's funny is is

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what we were gonna do after we entered

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ourselves as i was going to say to you

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lou

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elizondo dot dot dot and you kind of did

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that anyway but if you have anything

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left over that you want to say please

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the floor is yours too to say to the

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community hi i'm lou elizondo yeah dj

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absolutely hi i'm lou elizondo i'm a

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gemini i like long walks on the beach

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that's kevin's line pina coladas how

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about that

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i love it i love it and elizondo all

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analogies we gotta hone them to 30

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seconds we only got uh 56 minutes left

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all right excuse me 46 minutes left all

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right so um

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we're really happy uh i i wanted to ask

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you something that i think everybody in

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the community wants to know and and i

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myself want to know lou and i'm curious

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if you think it's your responsibility to

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teach us

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how to make a proper cuban sandwich uh

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i've failed uh i've made them i bought

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the bread i bought the roast pork i

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bought the ham i had the cheese i i

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thought i had the right pickles and it

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doesn't come out right can you offer

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something to the community about this

365
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yes but i'm sworn to cuban secrecy um

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yeah when we come out when we hit five

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jennifer

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we're all we're all all cuban kids are

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provided the secret recipe and then

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we're told we can never share it um

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it's it's part of our unfortunate it's

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part of this the secret ritual right

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that we have as cubans and

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it's like cuban coffee right you can

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order a cuban coffee and people say well

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it tastes like turkish coffee but it

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doesn't it's it's something very unique

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um

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you know the the trick to a to a good

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cuban sandwich is finding somebody who's

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been making them on the street for a

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long time if you go down kaye ochoa

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miami down eighth street and you find

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yourself a little pandaria or a little

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bakery there

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chances are they can make a really good

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one there's a couple really good uh

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little restaurants there's one that's

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more like a street vendor it's called

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oh sorry

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that's a great one the versailles

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another really good one

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you can find sorts of little mom and pop

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shops and they all have their little

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twist

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on on the cuban sandwich

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um

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you know it's it's it's hard to say

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there's lots of really good cuban dishes

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if you ever get a chance that the name

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is kind of doesn't sound like it's good

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but it's very good

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old clothes old rags um

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but what it is is basically a shredded

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meat um that has been marinating for a

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very long time and it literally just

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falls apart you put that over rice and

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black beans

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and it's just it's it's divine it's

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incredible there's some other dishes

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one's called picadillo

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um that i grew up on another one um

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[Music]

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which is very common you know and

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everybody has a different way of making

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it some people say oh you have to pull

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apart the chicken and put it in there

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and something oh you got to put the

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whole chicken in there you know in fact

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put it with the feathers put the whole

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thing in so yeah it's uh everybody has

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their own their own their own twist on

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it's just like cuban cigars you know

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unfortunately one of my my guilty

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pleasures in life um there's three

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things that cubans do very well coming

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out of the world uh the first thing is

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we all dance south suddenly very well

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that's just it's inherent you come out

430
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and you're you're dead the doctor

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doesn't need to spank you you just come

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out you're going uh

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the next thing is smoking um cigars uh

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it's uh if you don't smoke a cigar

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you're probably not cuban so we try to

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travel back but we're we're and then the

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third thing i can't probably talk about

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on radio but these are the activity but

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those are the only three things we

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really tend to be good at

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this is great i had no idea there was a

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priory of scion regarding like cuban

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sandwiches but now i i won't expect you

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to tell me and i'll just hope that

445
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someday i i find someone and maybe i

446
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waterboard and give me a recipe no i'm

447
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being told right now that i got the the

448
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cuban police

449
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i won't i won't say anything all right

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all right classified so we're gonna get

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this this stream is gonna get

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interrupted and and i don't want that to

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happen carefully

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lou i have a question for you from uh

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former pararescueman scott gierin um

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he's very famous for having someone fall

457
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through his parachute uh and he hit the

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ground doing about 100 miles an hour he

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was on the front of airmen magazine it's

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unbelievable

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well first of all before we go free can

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you explain to your audience because i

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know what pararescue is okay i know what

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these guys have to go through

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i'm not sure your audience can

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appreciate that uh uh well he was on uh

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with deb but uh scott gearin usaf uh

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basically it's our form of special

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operator and what they do is they do

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combat rescue they do combat sar uh if

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they're in a unit like the 24th sts or

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something they attach to like seal teams

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and certain us army units that we don't

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say the name of

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um so anyway uh scott was one of those

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guys and they go through hell to be able

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to uh to to uh serve with that edict

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that others may live

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um

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they are truly the best of the best i've

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had the honor and privilege of working

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with you know pararescue pjs and they

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are they are truly the best of the best

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that the air force has to offer and it's

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always an honor and privilege working

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with those with those folks

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and and i'm i've i'm honored to be his

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friend now we uh i met him on twitter

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and he came on with deb and now we talk

490
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on the phone but his question for you is

491
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based on what you know lou and your

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definition of a ufo uap are there any

493
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pictures and videos taken by ordinary

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people then posted on social media

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platforms such as twitter

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that are legitimate unidentified flying

497
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objects such as the objects seen by the

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military pilots astronauts government

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agencies and sensitive space platform so

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basically uh have you seen anything on

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open source that you say wow that's

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that's credible

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yeah and the problem with it is is that

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that the government recognizes it um

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there are some very authentic

506
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uap images when people say oh that's all

507
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grainy and blurry no they're not

508
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there's some that are really clear and

509
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are very authentic um because we can

510
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look at the date and time stamp and the

511
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metadata on the video we can then

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correlate that to any other type of

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assets that may be in the area and you

514
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know it turns out that yeah we're

515
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picking something up that came across

516
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you know let's say the pacific ocean all

517
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of a sudden someone in san diego's i had

518
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this real funny light doing these weird

519
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things in the backyard and all of a

520
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sudden you realize oh man they got it on

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camera um yeah there there are some very

522
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very comp there's one in particular

523
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i i i probably can't talk about it um

524
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but there's one

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uh

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mean you can see the skin of the

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aircraft

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uh you can see

529
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a lot and uh to the point where some of

530
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our folks were like well should we take

531
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it off off of the

532
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no don't take it off the internet leave

533
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it up you know that's not your video to

534
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take down that's a private citizens you

535
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know and yes they got a great video of a

536
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:27,679
uap congratulations you know we should

537
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probably give them an award don't take

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the video down

539
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and i'm from the hudson valley so my

540
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friends in high school i probably have

541
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three or four that have seen black

542
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triangles during the 80s because i'm a

543
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class of 85 kid but before i take them

544
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any more of the time i have to pass you

545
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over to my co-conspirator money nathan

546
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thanks dj

547
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so this question also comes from a

548
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friend of the show

549
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tim

550
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:54,640
and it's something i actually wanted to

551
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:56,000
know the answer to as well so from the

552
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,360
hearing yesterday

553
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,960
in response to representative

554
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:00,720
gallagher's questions

555
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,039
usdi moultrie stated he was not aware of

556
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:05,200
anything official which was done between

557
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:07,600
the close of project blue book in 69 the

558
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:09,919
start of a tip in 2007.

559
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:12,480
um if any official dod programs

560
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,559
contracts or even irad's which are

561
00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:16,080
independent research and development

562
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,320
activities as some folks may not know

563
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:20,240
we're tasked with studying uap during

564
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,520
this period

565
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,840
whom should congress request to testify

566
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,520
who might have actual knowledge of dod

567
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,360
efforts in this regard

568
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:29,120
great question first of all there are

569
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:30,880
other programs and they will come to

570
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:31,760
light

571
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:34,000
secondly uh this is coming from the same

572
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,039
people who said that uh for the record

573
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:39,840
that we don't we didn't look at at the

574
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:43,120
maelstrom uh incident here in

575
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:46,080
in montana because we don't we

576
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:47,840
we don't look at information that's not

577
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:49,520
sourced properly

578
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,880
first of all

579
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,960
you're the source dod i hate to break

580
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,799
the news but you're the ones who wrote

581
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:56,640
the iir in the first place and then got

582
00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:59,520
foied and you released to the public um

583
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:01,919
it is you know your your assessment that

584
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,400
was done by the engineers um how this

585
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:06,400
was not even technically possible it was

586
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:09,600
your uh commander bob salas and others

587
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:10,880
who came forward and actually talked

588
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:12,960
about this and got debriefed so i find

589
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,679
it really interesting uh that you're

590
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,360
saying you're not gonna look at uh

591
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,679
non-credible sources well i hate to tell

592
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,960
you but you're the source of the

593
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:22,080
information

594
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,360
uh so

595
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,200
this is part of the problem we had

596
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,679
contradiction after contradiction

597
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:29,520
um stated by people who were not in the

598
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:31,280
know um how do we know that well the

599
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:32,640
task force has been around for a year

600
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:35,840
and a half and uh as of two two two two

601
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:38,159
months ago was comprised of exactly two

602
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:39,360
people

603
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,000
two so when they say here uh all hands

604
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:44,000
on deck that means there's exactly four

605
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,280
hands on you

606
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:47,440
that's right four hands great

607
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,280
uh that's fantastic and so you can't

608
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,120
even have a good card game

609
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:53,200
yeah right uh so when they're saying

610
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,640
things like uh

611
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,400
you know we don't know about uh the task

612
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,320
force is not aware of any any material

613
00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:00,480
well you're right because there's two of

614
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,280
you

615
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,080
before

616
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,000
the task force and look at the legacy

617
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,080
efforts and programs that existed which

618
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:10,080
we know are there because i i met

619
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:12,240
somebody in the who ran the navy program

620
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,720
in the 80s personally

621
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,919
you're probably going to find a lot of

622
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,159
what you're looking for um

623
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:19,919
so i you know the problem is when you

624
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,880
put two two senior level of people up to

625
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:25,039
testify before congress

626
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:26,240
sometimes they're really telling you the

627
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,679
truth they don't know because they

628
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,039
haven't been briefed and so there's this

629
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:31,360
one degree of separation between those

630
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,799
who are doing the work and those who

631
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:34,240
have to go up there and answer before

632
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:35,200
congress

633
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:37,039
and and they're not told everything uh

634
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,360
and look aoimsg just got yesterday got

635
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,200
their director so now you have exactly

636
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:44,799
three people great great that's

637
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:47,440
fantastic um it took you all this time

638
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,840
just to select somebody um look i'm not

639
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,200
trying to to beat up the department of

640
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:53,039
defense they do a lot of things and they

641
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:55,039
do a lot of things very well i was part

642
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,880
of that apparatus i had the honor and

643
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,919
privilege to serve with some of

644
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,360
america's finest

645
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:01,200
but i also took an oath to defend this

646
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,559
country from all enemies foreign and

647
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,559
domestic and it turns out at the end of

648
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,480
the day the bureaucracy was part of the

649
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:08,559
enemy and the bureaucracy was not

650
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,720
allowing the right information getting

651
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,159
to the right people so they can make the

652
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,400
right decisions and when that happens

653
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,240
there's a problem we have to fix it

654
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:18,400
because the bureaucracy isn't a person

655
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,280
the bureaucracy is a systematic issue

656
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,039
and it has to be dealt with

657
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,039
it's no different than uh if there's

658
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,960
there's children in need and for

659
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,799
whatever reason reason the system fails

660
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,320
them and the kids now go hungry or

661
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:32,320
without medical care that's a problem of

662
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,840
the bureaucracy

663
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:35,679
this is no different when we're talking

664
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,799
about the topic of uap the system

665
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,120
for a long time was obfuscating and not

666
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:43,520
being completely transparent

667
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:45,279
now

668
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,159
we have to unwind 70 years of a tangled

669
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:50,320
ball of yarn and it's really tangled and

670
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,520
it's really knotted up and it's kind of

671
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,520
gross and matted to be honest with you

672
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:54,960
it's old and so

673
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,279
how do we untangle this ball of yard in

674
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,600
a way where we don't destroy the very

675
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,840
thing that we're trying to preserve

676
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,600
and it's not easy

677
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,600
so anyways great question

678
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,080
uh i i don't know if i answered it but

679
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,159
um you know i

680
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,320
that's what what moultrie and bray was

681
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,400
saying and this is kind of my issue

682
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,559
because they're not they're not

683
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,720
they're not going back uh

684
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,480
in history you know your taxpayer

685
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:22,400
dollars millions of dollars if not

686
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,080
billions of dollars were spent on some

687
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,760
of these black programs

688
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,919
um why are we going to reinvent the

689
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,600
wheel why are we going to start from

690
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,679
square one and spend more millions and

691
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,600
billions learning something that we

692
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,760
already have the data what that's that's

693
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,159
crazy why would you do that so

694
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,240
so therein lies part of the problem luke

695
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,760
can i jump in for a second i'd love to

696
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:43,760
do a saturday night live episode where

697
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,320
you and i are our bray and moultrie and

698
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:48,960
like uh uh lou uh did you have maelstrom

699
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,840
air force base missiles shutting down

700
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,600
no dj i i

701
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,960
maybe there's something in the media but

702
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:57,200
i i don't know next question

703
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:58,559
yeah i've never did i've never been to

704
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:59,600
melbourne

705
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:01,039
yeah

706
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,039
i know that'd be great kevin go ahead

707
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,190
you know nathan and i were just

708
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:09,360
discussing earlier how

709
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,960
how well congress seems to hear things

710
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:14,159
right nathan maybe it's because they

711
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:15,039
have

712
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,480
they they um

713
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,720
what is it because they have aids mm-hmm

714
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,480
they're like congress yeah it's

715
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,919
incredible

716
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,440
when he said aids we went back to the

717
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,520
90s hold up without his aides but they

718
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,200
have to go and we had a hearing and

719
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,760
their rights hearings hearing aids seems

720
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,760
to be pretty good at hearing some things

721
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,840
yeah they sure do yeah do you think they

722
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,120
get a discount on their hearing aid

723
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:36,720
plans at least the uh

724
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:40,640
aomi sg people or how do you say that i

725
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,630
and then someone came out no we're gonna

726
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,720
call ao imsg like that's almost worse

727
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,240
than atip you know

728
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,919
or or you know come on can we come up

729
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,520
with something a little better than that

730
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,120
i think they figure if they can keep it

731
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,000
super nebulous but the bottom line is if

732
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,240
if we don't know what's going on damn

733
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,640
sure the enemy's not gonna know so it's

734
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,559
it's actually a great effective tool uh

735
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,799
when you're uh you know

736
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,840
when you're worried about the enemy

737
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,960
knowing what you're doing because if you

738
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:20,080
don't know what you're doing they're

739
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:21,279
gonna have a hard time figuring it out

740
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,840
too right

741
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,880
right man

742
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,279
so i had a question actually

743
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:29,440
another one about the hearing so um so

744
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,120
around the 53-minute mark they mentioned

745
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,600
a small handful of cases in which they

746
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,080
had more data but they still couldn't

747
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,320
interpret due to a signature management

748
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:39,600
which for the listeners that means

749
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,640
stealth

750
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:42,159
people who don't know that so that being

751
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,520
said um

752
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,360
are these the frequencies in which the

753
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,480
galileo project is hopefully um their

754
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,919
instruments are going to be capable of

755
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,039
exploring

756
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,760
wow uh great question well first of all

757
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:56,559
um the galileo is doing a great job

758
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,600
i i love what uh avi loeb and his folks

759
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,880
are doing

760
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,039
they have a very practical approach

761
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:05,200
what they are doing is taking technology

762
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,760
to get a wild wide field view

763
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,679
and then have uh tipping and queuing

764
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:11,200
capabilities uh i guess in the

765
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,559
vernacular that needs to think of a

766
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:15,360
tripwire capability that when it detects

767
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,960
something it then has the ability with

768
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,279
another another technical device to

769
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,960
really zoom in so the problem with

770
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:23,039
cameras for example like this on your

771
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,159
phone

772
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,640
they're really good at either wide shots

773
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:28,320
or they're really good at super super

774
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,600
focused

775
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,200
long shots

776
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:33,039
but they're not really good doing both

777
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:34,480
and that's why sometimes you have focus

778
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:35,840
problems with cameras because it's

779
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:38,080
trying to hunt for that for that focus

780
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,880
point

781
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,520
so the idea is to have wide angle

782
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,679
cameras uh that have all sorts of neat

783
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:45,679
capabilities and all different weather

784
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,279
conditions and day and night and then uh

785
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,080
through a triggering um

786
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,880
cue system be able to really hone in on

787
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,559
the target itself and get that high

788
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:58,720
fidelity picture that then allows you to

789
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,840
look at telemetry and altitude and

790
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,440
velocity and you know all the things you

791
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:05,360
need to determine

792
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,240
what something is doing uh and

793
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,679
it's it's a great idea because then you

794
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,360
can you can put these these devices

795
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,440
mobile you can go anywhere in the world

796
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,440
uh there's some really clever ideas they

797
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,520
have i don't want to speak for galileo

798
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,679
right now i haven't talked to abby about

799
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,840
about it so i don't have permission

800
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,520
but they've got a really good plan and

801
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,200
by the way there's other organizations

802
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,880
and institutions that want to be part of

803
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,640
this and there's other countries

804
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,080
i'm working with several right now

805
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:32,880
overseas to try to see how we can fit

806
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,520
those academic institutions um neatly

807
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,279
and tucked and neatly within the galileo

808
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,120
project

809
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,360
that is awesome man i that that's that's

810
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,919
what they need i i hear more people that

811
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,760
are excited about the the galileo

812
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:47,919
project because of the organic and pure

813
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,399
nature of it than uh than uh you could

814
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,159
believe it's really amazing uh let me

815
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,799
pass you off to our researcher debs i

816
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,640
know she's she's literally and

817
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:58,399
figuratively chomping at the bit

818
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,480
i love asking questions okay so

819
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:04,960
okay so based on yesterday's hearings

820
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,080
would you say the dod is following the

821
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:10,240
letter of the law as laid out in the

822
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:13,520
ndaa for instance the requirement to

823
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:16,480
report on uap involvement

824
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:19,760
with military nuclear assets including

825
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:21,960
strategic nuclear weapons

826
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:24,799
nuclear-powered ships and submarines and

827
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:26,760
the requirement to report

828
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,360
uap-related events that occurred during

829
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:32,000
a period other than that one-year period

830
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,279
of review

831
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,440
but were not included in an earlier

832
00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:37,840
report in other words lou do you think

833
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:40,990
the dod realizes that we can read

834
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,840
[Laughter]

835
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,520
um

836
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,279
i i

837
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,720
boy

838
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:50,240
it's not whether or not you can read

839
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,520
it's whether or not

840
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:53,840
the american people can listen um and

841
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,240
dod sometimes plays both sides against

842
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:59,039
the middle um a lot of people will hear

843
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,240
and as you know this with your

844
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,120
background your professional background

845
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,799
people hear what they want to hear right

846
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,399
there's i'll tell you a kind of a more

847
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,039
humorous way there's a movie that my uh

848
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,039
my my my daughter my oldest daughter and

849
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,120
i love we totally geek out now my wife

850
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,120
thinks we are absolutely certifiably

851
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:17,919
insane for love in this movie we love it

852
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,399
and it's called dumb and dumber and

853
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:23,279
there is a i i know i know no judgment

854
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,640
hey members said we're not gonna judge

855
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:27,120
here no judgement uh it's a yoga studio

856
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,080
here

857
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,720
yeah so my oldest daughter and she's 25

858
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,240
you know works works for the us

859
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:34,080
government and and we just totally geek

860
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:35,440
out on it and there's a scene the reason

861
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,960
why i bring this up deb is because

862
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,880
there's a scene in there where jim

863
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,720
carrey is playing uh one of the

864
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:43,200
characters and he's a a limo driver kind

865
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,080
of a kind of a silly goofy character

866
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,159
and there is this very attractive young

867
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,799
lady that clearly he is very interested

868
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:53,279
in and he says you know what are my

869
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,799
chances on taking you out for a date

870
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,679
tonight

871
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,600
and she says not very good he says okay

872
00:31:01,269 --> 00:31:00,159
what but give me my chance like one in a

873
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,279
hundred

874
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:03,200
and she starts to kind of recoil he's

875
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,919
like one in a thousand and she says no

876
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,159
more like one in a million and so he

877
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,480
gets this big smile on his face he says

878
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:13,200
so you're saying i have a chance right

879
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:14,480
and so

880
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:18,640
this is this is my my point um you know

881
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,760
dod is very clever at uh

882
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,320
communicating and and

883
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,240
most of the time they will answer

884
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,880
truthfully if not in a half truth but

885
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,640
enough will be there where they can

886
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:33,200
wiggle out of it and i think

887
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:36,559
a lot of what what we're seeing now is

888
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,559
congress is very savvy these folks are

889
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:40,159
asking absolutely the right questions

890
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,840
make no mistake these people are not

891
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,760
fools these people have been talking

892
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,200
exactly to the right people they know

893
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,960
exactly what to ask dod and so in

894
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,080
essence

895
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,399
they're building a box around dod and i

896
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:52,240
think what we can see here

897
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,080
are there's going to be other hearings

898
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,240
um don't ask me how i know just

899
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,320
i if i was if i

900
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,000
was a betting man that probably a pretty

901
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:02,240
good bet but there'll be other hearings

902
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,159
and so what they have to do is give dod

903
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,679
a chance and so what they start by

904
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,679
saying is okay what are you doing who

905
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,960
are you working with what are you

906
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:11,360
finding out and it's all you know blase

907
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:12,399
blase

908
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:13,519
it's going to be you know common

909
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,919
pleasantries but what people don't

910
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:17,519
realize is that they're asking questions

911
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,080
for a record because now dod can't

912
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,000
wiggle out of the box and so what was

913
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:23,600
said yesterday let's go over the facts

914
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:24,960
real quick

915
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,039
uap are real

916
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,840
uap are tangible there's some sort of

917
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:31,679
technical aspect to them

918
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,880
uapr and national security imperative

919
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,200
they are a priority for this country and

920
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:39,440
they also are a potential air safety

921
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:40,240
issue

922
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,320
those four things for the first time in

923
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,880
the history of our country

924
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:46,799
were now told to the american people for

925
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,039
the record what else happened you had

926
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,519
the wilson documents submitted

927
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,519
for the record

928
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,200
that's going to be interesting

929
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:58,080
uh you also have um other things

930
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:59,679
mentioned the fact that a tip they

931
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,600
acknowledge it yes we know about aten

932
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:02,960
and we know about blue book update up

933
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:05,039
until that day up until yesterday

934
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,399
there was still discussion of whether or

935
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:08,080
not atip was even real or talked about

936
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,840
ufos well guess what that conversation

937
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,120
is now over

938
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,880
you just now had the head of dod

939
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:14,960
intelligence admitting to you yes we are

940
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,080
aware of ata okay so there's no going

941
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:20,240
back in the conversation now that's done

942
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,760
it's over anybody who wants to argue

943
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,440
that is your

944
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,919
you've missed the train um so those are

945
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,440
some of the things that actually happen

946
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,080
now there's also a whole laundry list of

947
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,320
stuff that we could probably talk about

948
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,240
that were inconsistent

949
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,720
but i think i think that i think what

950
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:38,640
happened yesterday was historic i think

951
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,600
it was very good i think we're going to

952
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,360
look back and realize this was really

953
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,960
the beginning let's not forget it was

954
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,399
just a little while ago a year ago where

955
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,000
the 180 day report came out and

956
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,039
everybody you know thought it was rather

957
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,159
it was a dud and it was a seven page uh

958
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,640
unclassified nothing burger as a lot of

959
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:56,000
people like to say

960
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:57,360
but that's not true

961
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,720
because there was a big classified

962
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,720
appendix to it and it was that

963
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,640
information that caused now congress to

964
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,480
start asking the questions that led to

965
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,399
the hearings we had yesterday

966
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:08,800
and so this is a process i've been

967
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:11,679
trying to to to tell people from for

968
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:12,879
years now

969
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,800
listen if you're impatient and you can't

970
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,280
wait please tune out for five years go

971
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,280
get a hobby and then come back

972
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,520
because this is a process and i know

973
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,520
people are chomping at the bit but

974
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,200
to know the answers

975
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,879
but but this isn't a matter of instant

976
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,639
gratification there's a lot of work that

977
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,560
needs to be done we got to go back 70

978
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,720
years maybe more we got to start working

979
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,879
with our allies and the worst thing we

980
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,919
can do right now is put out some

981
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,520
half-baked truths

982
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,520
um and then it turns out later on that

983
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,399
we were wrong right so so we we really

984
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:45,040
have to do our due diligence this is not

985
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,399
fun and games and also we have to

986
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:47,599
remember

987
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:48,399
we

988
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,760
pound of flesh i know there's people

989
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,599
saying i've been doing this for 25 years

990
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,119
and i'm tired of government lying to me

991
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:57,359
and and and damn it we need to prosecute

992
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,560
people look i get it i get it but but

993
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:02,640
slow down for a minute what's more

994
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,680
important

995
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,200
putting people behind bars and putting

996
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,359
them on the stand or the truth

997
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,440
and yes look i i want my pound to flash

998
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,200
i mean i spent four years with people

999
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:13,119
attacking me constantly and saying all

1000
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:14,480
social horrible things there's a reason

1001
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:15,760
why i live in the middle of nowhere

1002
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,240
wyoming right um

1003
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,000
but if if we want

1004
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,400
if if i want the american people to know

1005
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,240
what i know

1006
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:25,680
it's more important that we get to the

1007
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:28,240
truth than me being vindicated and i

1008
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,359
can't tell many times this week people

1009
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,960
said no you've been vindicated even

1010
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,320
media says well i must feel great you're

1011
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,839
now vindicated

1012
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,000
it's not about vindication folks

1013
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,680
it's about truth

1014
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,359
it's about it's about disclosure it's

1015
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:41,520
about transparency and if it means that

1016
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,880
that that i i don't get my my day in the

1017
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,200
spotlight then that's okay

1018
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,720
because it's not about that never was

1019
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:50,160
about that i didn't leave the department

1020
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,280
of defense

1021
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:53,040
because i wanted my day in the spotlight

1022
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,560
i left the double heart in the defense

1023
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,240
ironically enough to finish the very

1024
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,000
mission they gave me in the first place

1025
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:00,160
i didn't ask for it i'm not a ufo guy

1026
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,680
not a ufologist i never have been i

1027
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,520
never will be i'm a counterterrorism and

1028
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,280
counter espionage guy

1029
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,520
counterintelligence counter insurgencies

1030
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,599
that's what i do and it just so happens

1031
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,520
that in 2008 i was asked to apply those

1032
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:14,160
same skill sets into the ufo community

1033
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,440
but

1034
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,480
i'm not a ufo guy and so for me it's all

1035
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:19,920
about the truth whether i'm hunting a

1036
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,880
terrorist or a spy or a ufo the bottom

1037
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,800
line is the truth is the truth

1038
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,640
and and that's what

1039
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,960
that's what's motivating me and i hope

1040
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,359
that's what's motivating other people um

1041
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,839
so we can hopefully one day maybe offer

1042
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,640
some sort of amnesty maybe rather than

1043
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,040
persecuting people for keeping the truth

1044
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,960
and and and hiding the truth for this

1045
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,320
many years

1046
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,839
you know rather than

1047
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:45,359
than hold a fist how about let's hold

1048
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,640
out a hand

1049
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:48,960
maybe maybe we need we need to take a

1050
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,440
different approach and say look um you

1051
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,640
know what no more are your

1052
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:54,240
non-disclosure agreements going to hold

1053
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,040
you

1054
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,440
uh to anything uh for the next year and

1055
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,280
a half you have amnesty if you come and

1056
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:01,200
you talk to us and you tell us what you

1057
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:02,000
know

1058
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,280
and help us learn from some of the

1059
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:05,040
lessons learned from before

1060
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,320
then

1061
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,800
you know what um nothing bad is going to

1062
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:10,160
happen we're not going to come after you

1063
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:11,280
you're not going to lose your clearance

1064
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:12,480
in fact you're going to keep your job

1065
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,520
and in fact we're going to we're going

1066
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,440
to call you a hero how about that yeah

1067
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:17,040
and i'm okay with that

1068
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,640
you definitely don't need a nuremberg

1069
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,800
trial because nobody will say anything

1070
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,480
and and we certainly don't need any sort

1071
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,720
of an event like that we need people to

1072
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,160
do what you've done and some of your

1073
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,240
colleagues have done and come out and

1074
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,480
sort of tell us uh what they can and

1075
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,320
what they know which will encourage

1076
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:33,839
further still

1077
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:36,880
uh people to come out um with that uh we

1078
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,760
only have about uh 23

1079
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,599
less than 23 minutes left so we got to

1080
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:43,599
get through some some questions here and

1081
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:46,880
we haven't had our experiencer steph get

1082
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,040
up on the microphone so before we get

1083
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:51,119
into some gear head talk and we talk

1084
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,599
about turbos versus naturally aspirated

1085
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,440
and these types of things lou let me

1086
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,760
give it up to stephanie okay and i agree

1087
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,000
we do need to squash that stigma so you

1088
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,680
know it's all of us putting our efforts

1089
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,400
together and doing so so yeah

1090
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,640
but speaking on behalf of civilian

1091
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,359
experiencers uh they mentioned yesterday

1092
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:11,119
during the hearing that

1093
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:13,119
there will be a streamlined protocol put

1094
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:16,640
in place after declaring a uap for the

1095
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,839
military now do you foresee something

1096
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,400
such as that being put into place for

1097
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:25,440
you know just regular civilians and how

1098
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:30,950
stephanie probably one of the best

1099
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,680
questions you could possibly ask

1100
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,520
this really goes to the root of the

1101
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,920
question uh that a lot of people have

1102
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,839
yesterday the department of defense

1103
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:41,200
testified before congress saying yeah

1104
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,400
we're not really interested in civilian

1105
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,560
information you know yeah you know

1106
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,000
there's a lot a lot of misinformation

1107
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,680
and disinformation out there

1108
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,520
now hold on a second

1109
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:51,680
this is the same government the same

1110
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,880
government that when you go to an

1111
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,359
airport where you go to a subway they

1112
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,119
tell you over the announcements see

1113
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,119
something say something if you see

1114
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,119
something we want you to report this to

1115
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,280
authorities this is the same government

1116
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,240
that has 1 800 tip lines right that the

1117
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:08,240
fbi will willing to pay you up to a

1118
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,839
million dollars

1119
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,000
if you can help solve a crime yes you

1120
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,640
joe public you the civilian now wait a

1121
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,680
minute

1122
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,599
the civilian information is good enough

1123
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:19,599
to help you solve a crime

1124
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,160
capital murder case right and help you

1125
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,839
catch a terrorist

1126
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:25,040
but it's not good enough to help you

1127
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,480
hunt a ufo

1128
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:29,040
wait a minute

1129
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,320
say that again

1130
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,839
you're telling me that at the american

1131
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:33,280
public who you work for by the way

1132
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,400
they're your boss not the other way

1133
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,160
around okay you're held accountable to

1134
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,599
them and congress who are

1135
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:39,200
representatives of the people by the

1136
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:40,240
people

1137
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,520
you mean to tell me that their

1138
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:44,000
information isn't good enough

1139
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,119
um

1140
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,200
i'm curious your rationale for that

1141
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,280
because where i come from we had

1142
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:51,119
everything from back in the old a

1143
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,960
civilian air corps right and civil air

1144
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:54,400
patrol these are civilians merchant

1145
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:55,440
marines

1146
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,079
right saving lives in war in combat but

1147
00:40:03,349 --> 00:39:59,839
now all of a sudden civilian information

1148
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,359
civilian data isn't good for you

1149
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,040
do you see the cut so you see stuff the

1150
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:07,520
contradiction in that right so

1151
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,000
i i think i think we have further to go

1152
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,640
the question is the real question is how

1153
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,400
do we

1154
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,359
validate and verify information because

1155
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,920
the moment you open the pandora's box

1156
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,440
everybody and anybody anybody's going to

1157
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:25,280
report information right right and so

1158
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:26,720
the question the real question is how do

1159
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,599
you tease out the good information from

1160
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,040
maybe the less credible information

1161
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,720
because as we know there's you know a

1162
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,319
lot of

1163
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:36,560
you know less credible information right

1164
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,440
right related images and yeah i mean

1165
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,040
yeah you see so much of that you just

1166
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,040
scroll through where yeah you're going

1167
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:44,960
well i don't want to believe any of it

1168
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,119
if i'm seeing all this false information

1169
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,599
and they didn't notice

1170
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,000
possibly steph there are ways now where

1171
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,000
we can use algorithms to to decipher

1172
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:55,599
deep fake videos

1173
00:41:02,790 --> 00:40:59,440
imagine hypothetically and uh

1174
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,800
don't quote me on this please yeah

1175
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,520
but imagine the capability to to

1176
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:07,599
hypothetically come through thousands if

1177
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,560
not millions of of youtube videos in a

1178
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:12,079
very short period of time with a certain

1179
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,440
algorithm that all of a sudden can say

1180
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:16,160
hey guess what yeah these are all fake

1181
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:17,680
but these are real

1182
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,440
right these these these 200 300 over

1183
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,200
here that those are legit those are real

1184
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,040
videos of real something we have no idea

1185
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,800
what they are all of us now you just

1186
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,560
narrowed that down you've cast a really

1187
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,800
wide net but caught the very fish that

1188
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,640
you're looking for without catching all

1189
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,800
the ash and trash and so there are ways

1190
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,800
to do it um they're not cheap but

1191
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,400
they're certainly worthwhile we have the

1192
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,119
technical capability now um and i think

1193
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,720
there's also you know a way we can vet

1194
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,079
maybe we can use some civilian

1195
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,079
organizations that civilians can report

1196
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,560
to they can do that in immediate triage

1197
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,800
that vetting and then kick up whatever

1198
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:52,640
information seems to be more legit look

1199
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,800
you can also compare contrast chances

1200
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,480
are if you're near a military base and

1201
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,480
military pilots are singing uap chances

1202
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,760
are someone's on the ground living in

1203
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,359
their house they're probably seeing the

1204
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,160
same thing so that data all of a sudden

1205
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,319
gets a higher level of authenticity

1206
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:09,119
right and when you look at it it's uh if

1207
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,640
you were to give it a grade let's say

1208
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,720
all of a sudden now what appears to be c

1209
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:15,280
grade information now it becomes a b

1210
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,720
because you got two pilots over here

1211
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,640
reporting the same thing you have air

1212
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,640
trap atc or traffic control reporting

1213
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,560
this you've got maybe a local sheriff

1214
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,400
and a co in a town

1215
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,920
also reporting it right now that

1216
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,079
information becomes much more valuable

1217
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,119
and so there are ways to do this

1218
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,359
lou um if you could if you could on this

1219
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,440
one if you could reach down on your m4

1220
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,839
i'd like you to go from semi-auto to

1221
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,599
auto or burst

1222
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,359
for this rapid fire round would you do

1223
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,040
that please would you switch over thank

1224
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,599
you 10-4 will go

1225
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:47,920
okay switched over we're on burst

1226
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,240
because uh our elizondo time is

1227
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,480
dwindling faster than this hip is going

1228
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:54,240
to be on my body which is being replaced

1229
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,119
tomorrow

1230
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,520
uh 0-500 but anyway

1231
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:59,119
uh hello

1232
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:00,560
um

1233
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,920
the question i had was first of all

1234
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,440
um

1235
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,680
there is a depiction in a uh a

1236
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,359
documentary i saw

1237
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,440
and i just just sort of a yes or no it

1238
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,760
it did there at any point

1239
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,240
two individuals walk into your office

1240
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,720
when you were in atip present a folder

1241
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:21,359
to you without identifying themselves

1242
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:22,560
let you look through that folder and

1243
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,829
give me a second to recall um

1244
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,510
no they always i always had people

1245
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,599
identify themselves in my office i was

1246
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,000
in a very very secure location

1247
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:40,079
um there's there's no way anybody would

1248
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:41,520
come in without me knowing exactly who

1249
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,480
they are

1250
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,160
if you knew who they were did they show

1251
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,079
you a folder that had some things that

1252
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,160
were outside of your program

1253
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,720
i was shown a lot of things out that i

1254
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:52,240
was showing a lot of things in folders

1255
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,280
all the time

1256
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,280
it could very there were people that

1257
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,880
came in and there were two sometimes two

1258
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,640
people that would come in and it would

1259
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,800
absolutely show me things um that is

1260
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,880
true but as far as not knowing people

1261
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,319
there were never stranger there was i

1262
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,000
would live i had like a concentric ring

1263
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:08,000
of security i was a vault within a skiff

1264
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,599
within a secure corridor within a it was

1265
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,520
i had other another job that was

1266
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:15,920
extremely sensitive as well uh working

1267
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,720
some

1268
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,800
program for the white house and so

1269
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,000
um

1270
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:21,760
i always knew who was coming in except

1271
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,319
for in the very very beginning and and

1272
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,480
they introduced themselves to me okay

1273
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,920
this is a two banger so you knew who

1274
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,440
they were pretend we're in a dirt track

1275
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,720
car we're just going we only have two

1276
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:32,720
gears to work with we're going into high

1277
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:35,920
right now um so this next one it if

1278
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,319
there were a if if you had a program

1279
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:42,640
that you wanted to conceal

1280
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:46,079
and so and prevent people with a need to

1281
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,880
know that that could meet that standard

1282
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,560
that criteria

1283
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,560
what type of a program would you have

1284
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,079
where you could people have people like

1285
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:56,480
the sec deaf not briefed in on it the

1286
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,359
president the joint staff what type of a

1287
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:01,680
construct would you have to have in

1288
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,800
order to have a program that would hide

1289
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,599
something that could very very simple

1290
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,520
very simple you take it out of title 10

1291
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,680
you put it under title 50. super easy

1292
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,280
you take it out of dod channels you put

1293
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,280
under covert action done

1294
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,160
and in terms of funding if you have

1295
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,000
people that are on an intelligence

1296
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,319
committee uh that are

1297
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:24,800
uh basically they're they're funding a a

1298
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,440
clan within a contract and they don't

1299
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:29,200
know what's going on

1300
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,640
where that money's going they're not

1301
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,560
aware of of where that happens all the

1302
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,839
time that's why you have government

1303
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,319
accountability office the gao office

1304
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,680
because they do audits all the time

1305
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,839
because that happens millions of dollars

1306
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:40,880
each year

1307
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,839
goes to to support programs that have

1308
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,440
zero oversight and they should have

1309
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,400
oversight

1310
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:48,640
okay so it is possible to have a

1311
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,640
construct whereby something could be

1312
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,960
uh for all intents and purposes hidden

1313
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,880
and not sure and then you have had

1314
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,200
things such as even the dod of uh

1315
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,200
unacknowledged wave saps i mean there's

1316
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,440
there's all sorts of ways if you wanted

1317
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,960
to hide a program you certainly could

1318
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,480
hide a program

1319
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,960
very very easily uh if you were in a

1320
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:10,720
position to do it now the average person

1321
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,599
no they're not gonna be able to do it

1322
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:13,040
because you have to you have to be read

1323
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,400
on you have authorities you have access

1324
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,319
to the systems you got to be

1325
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,760
you got to have certain certificates on

1326
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:20,240
your wall uh to show that you you know

1327
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,359
have those

1328
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:23,119
type of tickets and

1329
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,000
training

1330
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,480
uh but yeah you you can do there's there

1331
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,119
are super users in the intelligence

1332
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,040
community that have access to all sorts

1333
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,880
of things and and a lot of them don't

1334
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,560
have a whole lot of oversight and the

1335
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,119
sec def doesn't know okay uh well the

1336
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,599
sector should know if it's title 10.

1337
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,599
okay if it's title 50 then the sec def

1338
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:43,200
doesn't then the director of cia should

1339
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,400
know and the director of national

1340
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,400
intelligence who should know everything

1341
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,800
in prison for the dna civilian got it

1342
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,960
nathan

1343
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,880
uh so yesterday representative krishna

1344
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,560
morty asked whether we've attempted to

1345
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:56,640
communicate with uap he was told we've

1346
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:59,280
not made any attempts of that nature

1347
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,800
assuming that

1348
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,359
we indeed may have or might try to

1349
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,040
communicate with uap and speaking more

1350
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,200
broadly to your efforts regarding

1351
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,960
greater engagement with the phenomenon

1352
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:10,480
through things like increased public

1353
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,119
awareness scientific study international

1354
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,119
cooperation collaboration

1355
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,920
what is our best assessment for how uap

1356
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:20,480
or the phenomenon might respond to our

1357
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:21,680
outreach

1358
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,319
in short if we call out to it will it

1359
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,119
and how might it respond

1360
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,800
well look there's all sorts of

1361
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,400
non-verbal communication isn't there

1362
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:32,720
look i have i have four german shepherds

1363
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:34,480
and i like to think that i've trained

1364
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,760
them you know and they go out to the

1365
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:37,040
bathroom in their house broken but in

1366
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,800
reality they've trained me you know they

1367
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:40,319
tell me when they're hungry they tell me

1368
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,280
when they're when they got to go to the

1369
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:43,200
bathroom you know they they jump on my

1370
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,160
bed they tell me when they want

1371
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:46,160
attention so in essence it's two-way

1372
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:49,119
communication it's non-verbal right

1373
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,559
we can sit across the hall from each

1374
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:52,000
other and i can wave to you and i'm

1375
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,440
waving an intent you can turn around and

1376
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,680
shoot me the bird and i i can figure out

1377
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,359
what what you mean by that

1378
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:59,200
um communication doesn't have to be

1379
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:02,720
verbal and i think that uh when we

1380
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:10,069
case in point i've used this a lot

1381
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,200
when there's a russian bear

1382
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,880
reconnaissance aircraft off the coast of

1383
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,920
alaska

1384
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,280
okay it's not communicating with it's

1385
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,880
not squawking it's not not getting on

1386
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,240
the com saying hi guys we're here we're

1387
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:20,480
just gonna surveil you what what do we

1388
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,359
do we we we scramble two f-22s out of

1389
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,440
out of alaska and we go on an intercept

1390
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:27,119
mission now we don't talk to them but we

1391
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,480
just get really really close and let

1392
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:29,839
them know hey buddy if you step over

1393
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,319
this line bad things are going to happen

1394
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,480
uh are we communicating intent you're

1395
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,240
damn right we are and are they commuting

1396
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,720
intent absolutely they are right so

1397
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,400
there's all sorts of ways to communicate

1398
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,000
some could argue the fact that if you

1399
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:43,920
have something loiting around loitering

1400
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:46,079
around a u.s navy vessel for three or

1401
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,200
four hours

1402
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,359
that could be an attempt to communicate

1403
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,720
right hey

1404
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,359
i'm here you can see me here i'm not

1405
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,440
necessarily want anything from you but

1406
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,680
but i want you to know

1407
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,040
that i'm here

1408
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:01,599
and i know that you know that so

1409
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:04,640
that's communication um there's you know

1410
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,480
if i go and i disable a a nuclear

1411
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:10,880
flight uh here in the united states and

1412
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,319
knock 10 icbm missiles offline

1413
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,319
i'm communicating a capability to make

1414
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,880
the mistake very clearly and if i go to

1415
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,640
russia and i decide instead of turning

1416
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:22,559
them off turning them on

1417
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:25,040
i'm i'm also communicating a very clear

1418
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,240
message right

1419
00:49:29,829 --> 00:49:28,000
so but that never happened lou that's

1420
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:29,839
just in the media i mean that i mean

1421
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,319
come on yeah so lou are you saying that

1422
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,720
ask the russians when bray responds that

1423
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:37,040
we weren't communicating is that kind of

1424
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,760
a very narrow banded way of of of

1425
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,040
dodging that because what you're saying

1426
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:43,040
is we communicate not in the way that

1427
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,480
you know we think of normal communities

1428
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,760
what he's saying is we're not picking up

1429
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,839
the horn and saying uh

1430
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,400
hey joe uh or marty the martian what's

1431
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,079
going on what are you doing

1432
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:54,160
uh can i buy a cup of coffee and come on

1433
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,520
down here i'll have my people call your

1434
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,680
people we'll you know we'll do lunch no

1435
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,280
that's of course that's what's going on

1436
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,599
you know uh but are there calls over the

1437
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:03,839
radio and saying you know

1438
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,720
identify yourself and uh are you are

1439
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:08,800
they squawking friend or foe on the

1440
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,359
transponders uh what's your intent if

1441
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,280
you come within 300 meters of this ship

1442
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,359
we will engage you with lethal force as

1443
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,920
they do anytime you come by with a boat

1444
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,440
you know i suspect there's all sorts of

1445
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:22,240
communication that's being attempted um

1446
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:24,160
but you know look i got to let these

1447
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,119
guys

1448
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,000
speak um at some point i think more

1449
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,680
pointed questions are going to be asked

1450
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:31,280
and you know i think you're probably

1451
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,400
going to see some of that change a

1452
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,920
little bit

1453
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:35,119
thank you

1454
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,480
next we have flareus so this is our

1455
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,720
rapid fire do you have something for mr

1456
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,400
um all right so you mentioned a phase

1457
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:45,760
going forward in which there will be a

1458
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:48,160
push towards taking the topic mainstream

1459
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,520
so does this mean uh we get to look

1460
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:51,680
forward to lou elizondo lip-syncing to

1461
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:55,839
pop music on tiktok yeah yeah i'm not a

1462
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,160
big millie vanilli fan

1463
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,240
so i'm not good at lip syncing

1464
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:02,160
oh i could do it with you man we could

1465
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,720
do it together you know brother i tried

1466
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:06,960
a few times to even sing in the shower

1467
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:10,079
and you know my wife my dogs my

1468
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,520
neighbors i mean i'm getting like the

1469
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:14,160
cops called on me it's bad so

1470
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,040
uh

1471
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,800
no i think um look there's there's a

1472
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:18,640
public push as far as mainstream were

1473
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,359
there i mean look look

1474
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,760
yesterday i was on cnn fox news uh

1475
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:25,760
canadian tv you now have canadian

1476
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,720
parliament uh that is engaging and uh

1477
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:30,319
you know for example representative

1478
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:32,000
moultrie you've got our congress

1479
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:33,440
involved you've got hearings going on i

1480
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,880
mean i don't know how more mainstream we

1481
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,040
need to be at this point when the entire

1482
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,520
world is covering our hearings on ufos

1483
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,440
and now we have a law where we have to

1484
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,280
work with our foreign allies it is

1485
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,000
mainstream um the only thing that's not

1486
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:48,000
mainstream is ufology okay we've got to

1487
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:49,839
get ufology out of the dark ages we got

1488
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:52,559
to get them out of the the conspiracy

1489
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:53,520
theory

1490
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,880
arena and and start focusing okay look

1491
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,319
the topics here you got what you want

1492
00:52:01,589 --> 00:52:00,000
congratulations now

1493
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,599
now we have a responsibility to the

1494
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:03,119
general public because the first place

1495
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:04,720
that the general public is going to look

1496
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,599
are ufologies for answers and if we keep

1497
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,240
going down the same rabbit hole of you

1498
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,920
know i know the truth because of

1499
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:13,920
pleiades and this told me so

1500
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,640
that's not helpful look maybe so but the

1501
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,079
rest of the world is going to have a

1502
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:20,160
really hard time with it so so let's

1503
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,599
stick with the facts and then if you

1504
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,520
have an opinion preface it as opinion

1505
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:25,280
look i've got lots of opinions

1506
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,800
some of them are probably wrong i'm okay

1507
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:28,000
with that cool

1508
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:29,520
ask my wife most of mine are wrong

1509
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,000
probably but that's why i keep my

1510
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:34,400
opinions mostly to myself and i try to

1511
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,839
stick with the facts because i don't

1512
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,440
want to muddy the waters

1513
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,599
you have a bigger responsibility now

1514
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,599
this is not a hobby anymore this is not

1515
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,599
just fun and games you know it's a it's

1516
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,520
a it's a fleeting interest no you're now

1517
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,680
an ambassador for all of us you have a

1518
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:49,200
responsibility

1519
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:51,760
to take this topic with with deadly

1520
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,160
seriousness this is a conversation

1521
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,079
that's just as serious about talking to

1522
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,240
a loved one about cancer now fortunately

1523
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,160
there's a good outcome here but this is

1524
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:01,920
a serious topic you're asking people and

1525
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:03,920
i'm sure deb can tell you we're asking

1526
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,160
people to challenge their very psyche

1527
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:08,000
the very essence of what it means to be

1528
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,000
a human being the way they were raised

1529
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,720
culturally religiously politically in

1530
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,040
every single way you're saying hey

1531
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,359
listen

1532
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:19,599
a lot of things you were told turns out

1533
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,559
may not be entirely accurate so uh let's

1534
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:24,160
have a talk shall we

1535
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,200
um we gotta handle this responsibly we

1536
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:29,280
got to have a delicate situation with

1537
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:31,040
people like talking to kids about sex

1538
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:32,240
right i know it's uncomfortable you

1539
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:34,000
don't want to do it but it's better here

1540
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,079
from us than to hear it from somebody

1541
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:37,920
that you don't want them to hear it from

1542
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,480
you know or worse experiences so you

1543
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,040
know it's it's it's important that we

1544
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,960
have this this talk and we have to

1545
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,559
police ourselves and we have to hold

1546
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:48,319
ourselves now to a higher standard

1547
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,920
because people are really looking people

1548
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,520
are paying attention some people are

1549
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,839
excited some people are scared some

1550
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:55,760
people don't know what to think and and

1551
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,920
this is why every single one of you and

1552
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,760
i'm sure deb can can probably jump in if

1553
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,000
she wants to on this

1554
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,000
we we have we have a big responsibility

1555
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:07,119
on our shoulders and we have to to

1556
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,800
really come together

1557
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:10,880
and the community the ufo community

1558
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:12,079
really has to start acting like a

1559
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:13,599
community stop acting like a bunch of

1560
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,160
child children fighting each other and

1561
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,000
and throwing insults and accusing each

1562
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,920
other and start working together because

1563
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,839
if you really really want disclosure

1564
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,319
really really want it then then you're

1565
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,839
you're you're gonna have to change some

1566
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:27,440
of the ways you're doing business that's

1567
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,280
that's my personal opinion and by the

1568
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,599
way that that advice includes me too so

1569
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:33,599
i'm not coming down here from upon high

1570
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,800
some mountain and pointing down saying

1571
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:36,720
you people shall that's not what i'm

1572
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,520
saying

1573
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,520
i'm i'm one of you guys i'm down here

1574
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,319
looking up saying what do we do so so i

1575
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,000
get it um

1576
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:45,520
but that's that's that would be my

1577
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:46,559
advice

1578
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,960
okay alou we have a little less that we

1579
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,720
have almost uh what do we have left

1580
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:52,720
there with six minutes about almost five

1581
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:55,040
minutes now deb has a question for you

1582
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,480
and that's probably going to be our last

1583
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:58,240
question we get you out of here in one

1584
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,520
hour

1585
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,920
right so actually i i did have a

1586
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,920
question about the ai that you mentioned

1587
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,359
earlier i would love to talk about

1588
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:07,119
mental health but that would be a whole

1589
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,559
hour but

1590
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,160
that's a whole nother thing but yes the

1591
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:12,559
ai you you had spoken about it on

1592
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,160
vinnie's show um disclosure team and i

1593
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:18,319
was wondering if there was

1594
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,000
yep shout out vinnie um i was wondering

1595
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,000
if there was any follow-up on where that

1596
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,319
ai went what what happened to it if

1597
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:26,319
we're gonna see it again

1598
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:27,040
yeah

1599
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,880
it's expensive i mean it's really

1600
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,000
expensive notice how we never asked

1601
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,559
anybody for donations right unlike a lot

1602
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:35,760
of other people say hey give me your

1603
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,559
money nope never ask you for a penny

1604
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:41,040
it takes a lot a lot of darn money to

1605
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,799
make something like that we're working

1606
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,079
with the best of the best who by the way

1607
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,559
have day jobs they have real jobs too uh

1608
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:48,240
and you know so they volunteer a lot of

1609
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:49,359
their time and

1610
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:50,960
and sweat equity

1611
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,359
uh to build this um there's actually now

1612
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,520
some competing efforts which i love um i

1613
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,359
think it's fantastic let's get everybody

1614
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,200
out here and and see which one works

1615
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,280
best uh and see which ones work you know

1616
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,880
better for different situations and

1617
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:04,720
maybe they can all work together

1618
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:06,880
wouldn't that be great um

1619
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:09,359
right now it's it's important that uh

1620
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:10,720
you know unfortunately i'm just one

1621
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,599
person

1622
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:14,160
so a lot of my time gets diverted i i

1623
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:15,839
live my life in seven and a half minute

1624
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:19,040
increment increments unfortunately um so

1625
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:20,640
for every seven and a half minutes i

1626
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,240
dedicate to ai it's seven and a half

1627
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,559
minutes i can't dedicate to to congress

1628
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:26,079
or i can't dedicate

1629
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,400
some other efforts that are going on

1630
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,559
behind the scenes or i can't dedicate to

1631
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,400
mainstream media and so and i can't

1632
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,319
dedicate to my family as a father and as

1633
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,720
a husband or as a citizen

1634
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,520
uh so it's it's um

1635
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,359
it's it's tough but fortunately we have

1636
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,119
some very very good people working on it

1637
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:47,680
and the ai is is is moving forward quite

1638
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,510
and with that uh thank you lou uh for

1639
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:55,920
that and uh we have to start our our

1640
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:58,319
goodbyes uh so that we can get dj can i

1641
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:01,280
say one thing please yes sir

1642
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:02,640
i just want to say

1643
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,079
thank god for for deb and steph um look

1644
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,400
ladies i i

1645
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,240
i have a household full of women my i

1646
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:12,559
have two daughters and a lovely wife and

1647
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,280
and

1648
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:15,520
girl

1649
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:18,480
so uh i i am an extremely blessed man

1650
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:20,000
and i think i think women are the

1651
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,680
greatest accomplishment of god and i

1652
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:22,799
don't care what anybody thinks that's

1653
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,920
what i think

1654
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:25,680
um

1655
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,359
you guys have a voice and and ufology

1656
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:32,319
and the topic of ufos and uaps is in

1657
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,960
desperate need of hearing your voice

1658
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,680
we need it please please please

1659
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:39,359
uh i know there's a lot of loud

1660
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,160
obnoxious voices out there but

1661
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,920
but sometimes a whisper can be heard

1662
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,520
louder than a shout

1663
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,920
and i just want to thank you for for

1664
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,440
stepping forward and having this

1665
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:51,359
conversation because i know right now

1666
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,119
there are some young women watching this

1667
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,520
right now and they're looking at you for

1668
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:56,799
inspiration

1669
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,520
we need you on the scene so

1670
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,280
thank you thank you truly for what you

1671
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,040
do

1672
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:05,119
thank you

1673
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:06,000
yeah

1674
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,680
steph oh steph i don't know if her mic

1675
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,599
is her mic is working go ahead miss

1676
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,000
steph thank you thank you lou that's

1677
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,920
very gracious and kind of you and uh

1678
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,119
yeah i do

1679
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,520
uh look forward to passing the torch to

1680
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:19,680
the younger generation as well so i hope

1681
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,559
that the young ladies are listening and

1682
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,559
uh you know they're going to gain some

1683
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,480
new insight and

1684
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,559
information on uh you know things that

1685
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,160
we never really thought that we'd be

1686
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,000
discussing i think this soon this is

1687
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,319
this is pretty cool to me so you know

1688
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:37,119
i'm learning something new every day and

1689
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,720
we all have voices here and we all want

1690
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:40,960
to be heard as well so thank you for for

1691
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:43,280
recognizing that i appreciate it

1692
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,480
absolutely thank you yeah this though

1693
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,200
yeah go ahead i'm sorry debs

1694
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:52,079
i was gonna say you can't shut me up lou

1695
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:53,440
that was the thing

1696
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:56,079
i i started with that in the beginning

1697
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,000
and now i've i've told people i pretty

1698
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,079
much want to talk to everyone there are

1699
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:02,240
some people that i have to swallow my

1700
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:03,440
own personal

1701
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,400
opinion and whatever to talk to them but

1702
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:08,160
i want to give everyone that chance to

1703
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:09,599
talk and that's what a lot of people

1704
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,920
have been missing for a long time

1705
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:12,960
right

1706
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,760
yeah

1707
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,000
we're extremely fortunate to have these

1708
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,480
and nathan and i wanted to have female

1709
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:20,799
voices on the show we didn't want it to

1710
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,520
be

1711
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,760
just guys uh we wanted to bring in

1712
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:25,440
people from these different backgrounds

1713
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:27,200
and and we were able to do that just

1714
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,720
like nathan and i have very different

1715
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,640
backgrounds and and so

1716
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,640
uh it's a blessing to be part of this

1717
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:35,359
this show for for me personally uh kevin

1718
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:38,559
uh say your goodbyes please

1719
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,839
okay i will start with my goodbye so um

1720
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,760
so someone who's trained teachers i've

1721
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,280
learned to recognize when um other

1722
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,599
people display those qualities necessary

1723
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:50,000
for becoming one so whenever i turn into

1724
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:52,799
you i'm seeing skills in communication

1725
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:55,359
listening collaboration adaptability

1726
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,000
patience so you're a teacher lou

1727
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:00,640
so i'm reminded of a quote by terence

1728
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:03,599
mcqueen ken i'd like to uh read to you

1729
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,160
all right so um it goes uh so nature

1730
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,319
loves courage you make the commitment

1731
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,839
and nature will respond to that

1732
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:11,920
commitment by removing impossible

1733
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,240
obstacles dream the impossible dream and

1734
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:16,240
the world will not grind you under it

1735
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:18,880
will lift you up this is a trick this is

1736
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,040
what all the teachers and philosophers

1737
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,880
who really counted who really touched

1738
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,799
the alchemical goal this is what they

1739
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:26,000
understood

1740
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,160
this is the shamanic dance in the

1741
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,400
waterfall this is how magic is done by

1742
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,160
hurling yourself into the abyss and

1743
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,400
discovering it's a feather bed that's

1744
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,839
what you've done you've heard yourself

1745
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:37,839
into the abyss for us man so thank you

1746
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,960
for that

1747
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:40,319
kevin that was beautiful and very

1748
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,319
touching thank you very much i i that

1749
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,839
was a wonderful gift you give me thank

1750
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,079
you well thank you

1751
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:48,319
and deb i i didn't want to step on your

1752
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,079
goodbye so if you have something else

1753
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,480
that you'd like to say please do

1754
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,880
thank you um yeah i was having some

1755
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:56,640
issues interestingly enough that never

1756
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,160
happened before i wonder what that's

1757
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,880
about but anywho um

1758
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:03,200
i can only see part of the private chat

1759
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:06,720
now um so i just wanted to say all of us

1760
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:09,760
at cab are aware of your sacrifices and

1761
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:12,640
the sacrifices made by your family lou

1762
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:14,559
we're very aware we talk about it all

1763
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,240
the time

1764
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:18,079
we would not be taking

1765
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,799
talking about the hearings that happened

1766
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,240
yesterday

1767
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,920
if you had not handed in that

1768
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:25,839
resignation letter

1769
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:27,760
it's been an honor to get to talk to you

1770
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,720
today

1771
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:30,720
it's an honor to get to say thank you

1772
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,680
today

1773
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,280
for your service

1774
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:35,359
both for your country

1775
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:36,720
our country

1776
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,079
and with your efforts on the uap topic i

1777
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,720
wanted to urge you to stay

1778
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:45,200
and continue to give us breadcrumbs

1779
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:47,119
because we're going to miss that

1780
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,760
we're going to miss your desire for real

1781
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:52,160
data your exploration of all the

1782
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,520
hypothesis

1783
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,680
your push for the science um your

1784
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:57,839
passion for transparency

1785
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:00,640
your vulnerability and your resilience

1786
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:03,680
with a very complicated crowd

1787
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:05,839
you have

1788
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:08,480
and if you do have to go

1789
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:10,880
i will take the comment

1790
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,280
ask me in five years as a promise that

1791
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:15,119
you're going to return

1792
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:17,440
in the meantime thank you thank you

1793
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:19,280
thank you

1794
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:22,720
quick reminder it's always been a team

1795
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,520
effort i'm just one person and actually

1796
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,359
i think yesterday's hearings are more a

1797
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:29,359
reflection of your accomplish

1798
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:30,799
accomplishments and achievements than

1799
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,599
mine

1800
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,599
um you all decided to pick up the baton

1801
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:35,200
and run with it um

1802
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:38,079
i i again i'm one voice in an awfully

1803
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:41,440
big crowd um but together uh

1804
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:43,920
our voices were heard and and congress

1805
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:46,079
is paying attention and listening to you

1806
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:47,440
um so

1807
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:49,760
uh as very much as you i appreciate your

1808
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:52,240
comments um honestly a lot of that

1809
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,520
credit goes goes to you all

1810
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:57,359
thank you lou steph i i don't want to

1811
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:58,720
pry i didn't know if you got your

1812
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:00,799
goodbye out there so please

1813
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:03,359
that's no problem i i froze up a bit um

1814
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,119
well i'll make it quick i just wanted to

1815
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,200
say thank you so much for your service i

1816
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:09,200
truly do appreciate that and recognize

1817
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:10,079
that

1818
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,000
and all of our service men and women

1819
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:14,160
thank you for all that you do for us um

1820
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:17,039
i am looking also looking forward to

1821
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:18,880
well hopefully you having some extra

1822
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,119
time to relax and practice some muay

1823
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:23,280
thai that would be nice to see because

1824
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:24,799
we know all the effort that you've put

1825
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,520
in

1826
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:27,280
towards this subject i'm way too old for

1827
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:41,029
i'm sure i'll break something

1828
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,559
shadow boxing won't hurt anybody

1829
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,799
but um and then also i'm just looking

1830
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:48,720
forward to your book and what you have

1831
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:54,789
thank you steve i really appreciate it

1832
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:57,039
thank you for being a a bright young

1833
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,720
voice uh for this topic and i i suspect

1834
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:03,119
you're gonna have a very very uh bright

1835
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:05,839
future in this and uh just remember

1836
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:07,520
um

1837
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:11,280
stay true to yourself

1838
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:14,799
and and you're going to do just fine

1839
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:19,349
money nathan the man who needs no

1840
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,640
introduction yeah thank you lou

1841
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:24,480
there's a story in the old testament in

1842
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:26,880
the book of genesis about jacob

1843
01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:29,200
wrestling with god in the night and

1844
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,520
jacob survives the ordeal

1845
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:33,680
and is this story which sort of forms

1846
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:35,440
part of the bedrock for the history of

1847
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:37,599
the jewish people and of israel and in a

1848
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:39,280
similar way you know we've been

1849
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:41,119
wrestling with this topic for a very

1850
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,559
very long time

1851
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:44,400
and after the hearing i was reminded of

1852
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:46,319
the great strides we have made up until

1853
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:47,200
now

1854
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,119
and i felt a deep sense of appreciation

1855
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:51,359
for the many wrestlers in this field who

1856
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:53,839
have preceded us in grappling with this

1857
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:55,760
profound mystery and there is a very

1858
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:58,480
real sense in which we are on the cusp

1859
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,559
of a paradigm shift and not only our

1860
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:02,319
understanding but also

1861
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:04,720
in our conscious awareness of who we are

1862
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:05,440
and

1863
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:13,520
family the ufo community sometimes makes

1864
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:15,200
a mess and it's struggle to find the

1865
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:17,839
truth a truth which seems to speak to

1866
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:20,160
something deep inside of us and who we

1867
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,799
are and where we're going and lou i just

1868
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:25,039
wanted to thank you for wrestling along

1869
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:26,160
with us

1870
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:28,799
and may we all find the answers which we

1871
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:30,400
seek

1872
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:33,359
nathan thank you very much um

1873
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:36,480
you know let us let us not put dominion

1874
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:39,359
over the creator or or or its creation

1875
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,319
um

1876
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,240
you know there's a lot of things that

1877
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:44,400
that religion gets right

1878
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:45,839
if we just just

1879
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,520
learn to listen

1880
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:49,680
um and it doesn't matter what religion

1881
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:53,280
really um and any way to get closer to

1882
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:56,559
to that creator um is is

1883
01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:59,760
probably probably okay um

1884
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:01,760
you know we are we are a very fragile

1885
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:03,839
species

1886
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,160
we we need guidance

1887
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:08,319
i don't care who you are we all we all

1888
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:09,680
need guidance

1889
01:06:13,589 --> 01:06:12,240
um there are some very dark

1890
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:13,599
places

1891
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:16,960
in this world uh where where

1892
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,359
i've seen true evil

1893
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:21,440
and it's there and it exists

1894
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:22,640
um

1895
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:26,160
maybe it's the trials and tribulations

1896
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:27,520
for our species

1897
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:29,839
um i ultimately today i don't think this

1898
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,559
topic at all um

1899
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:33,839
at all

1900
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,079
compromises or challenges the notion of

1901
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,079
god in any way in fact if anything i

1902
01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:41,039
think it it only emboldens uh

1903
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,559
our our our ability to expand maybe our

1904
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:46,640
own preconceived conceptions of what god

1905
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,799
may be no different than when galileo

1906
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:50,799
first proposed that the the earth was

1907
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:52,880
not the center of the solar system

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and there were a lot of people who

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thought that was going to challenge at

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the time religion

1911
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,440
turns out that it didn't and in fact the

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same holds true in

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in judaism and even in islam there have

1914
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:07,359
been people along the way that have have

1915
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:10,079
made observations of nature

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that were perceived initially

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to contradict the word of god

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and only afterwards did we realize that

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it did it actually reinforced the notion

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of this this this

1921
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ultimate authority if you will uh this

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this architect of the universe

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and only increases our wonder

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so so thank you very much nathan and i

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01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:36,400
think i think theology has a very um i

1926
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:38,559
think it has a seat at the table uh for

1927
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:40,480
for this topic i i'm not sure we can

1928
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have this conversation frankly without

1929
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without having some of our religious

1930
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:49,990
you know uh the

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beauty that you just heard and

1932
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:54,240
experienced is why

1933
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:56,559
i love being part of this group

1934
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,880
because i mean how do i how do i follow

1935
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,200
what you just heard from from steph and

1936
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:03,440
from kevin and then debs was amazing and

1937
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:05,599
then of course money nathan you just

1938
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:07,359
kind of close your eyes and you just get

1939
01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:10,480
lost in there it's pretty amazing um

1940
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:13,039
lou uh it's it's an honor to speak with

1941
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,599
you uh from the bottom of my heart i

1942
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:17,199
thank you for

1943
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:19,440
uh you and your team breaking through

1944
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:23,839
this 50-year long barrier since 69 or 68

1945
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:26,000
i believe when we when we had the last

1946
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,920
set of hearings that we certainly would

1947
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not have without

1948
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um you interceding in your group and uh

1949
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:35,759
becoming a bit of a disrupter uh on the

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01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:36,880
topic

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um

1952
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,319
you know i

1953
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:42,560
again i really can't top what they said

1954
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except to really just say thank you and

1955
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i hope that we get to speak to you again

1956
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,400
at some point and uh it was an honor to

1957
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,199
to do so today well dj thank you for for

1958
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your your sacrifice and your service to

1959
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:57,199
our nation um i know what you guys went

1960
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through especially being part of uh

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01:09:01,749 --> 01:08:59,759
afsock

1962
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:01,759
um you know that your country owes you a

1963
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,759
great debt but on a lighter note you

1964
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:05,120
didn't let me finish the question that

1965
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,560
you asked me you said turbo are

1966
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:08,960
naturally aspirated let's go and there's

1967
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:10,560
there's another category

1968
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,839
supercharged

1969
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,080
okay so all right so uh you know are you

1970
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,880
down for like a a v6 formula one twin

1971
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:18,719
turbo type of setup with the hybrid are

1972
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,880
you more like you want to see a couple

1973
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,480
four barrels on top of it with a

1974
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:24,480
supercharge what's your you know it

1975
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,279
depends on what day the week um

1976
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:28,960
when i start off on a monday i'm ready

1977
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:31,839
for like a 1964 and a half ac cobra with

1978
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:34,080
a 427 and a six six-pack

1979
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,400
uh on it uh by the time i get to

1980
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:38,239
mid-week i'm probably uh

1981
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,600
i'm getting to the point where i want

1982
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:41,359
something probably a little little beefy

1983
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:44,159
or something off-road maybe a a newer

1984
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:47,679
model ram 3500 with the off-road package

1985
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:50,319
skid plates you know and uh really low

1986
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:52,880
for really low end rear end and by the

1987
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,120
time i get to like saturday i'm ready

1988
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:57,920
for like a 1999

1989
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,480
cadillac d elegance

1990
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:02,560
that's literally a a

1991
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:04,960
floating couch on the highway where i

1992
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:07,920
can sit there and i can lay back

1993
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:10,000
and i can sit back and literally turn

1994
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:11,760
the entire wheel with a finger

1995
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:13,360
and i look like that little old man from

1996
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:15,280
miami and i can actually be that guy i

1997
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,800
always hated when i was growing up in

1998
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,199
miami right that guy in that blue

1999
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:21,120
cadillac that was always getting in your

2000
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:22,880
way that would always pull out your

2001
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:25,280
track sit doing 30 miles an hour in the

2002
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:27,679
fast lane right and you pass him he's

2003
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:30,640
wearing the flowered shirt and of course

2004
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:32,159
he just smiles at you and you're like

2005
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:33,040
man

2006
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:34,400
that's what i want to be

2007
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,400
that's where i want to be so

2008
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:38,880
on a saturday that's me and i want to do

2009
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,199
exactly that and the bigger the better i

2010
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:43,600
want a boat man i want a blue canoe i

2011
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,920
want to be there and i want to hold up

2012
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,000
ten lanes of traffic i don't want

2013
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:50,560
everybody honking and i wanna be there

2014
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:53,360
we'll get you a 71 we'll get you 71

2015
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:54,960
black fleetwood man that's what you need

2016
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:56,719
man i'll take it or a bonneville i'll

2017
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:57,840
take a bottle of the old bonneville

2018
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,600
let's do it all right that's what i want

2019
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:01,520
i want him

2020
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:02,560
all right

2021
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:05,840
um so nathan and i had one more question

2022
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:06,880
you know

2023
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:09,120
you can tell a lot about a man

2024
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:10,080
by

2025
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:12,320
how he simonizes his car so are you a

2026
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:15,760
spray wax guy or you a carnauba kind of

2027
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,480
like put on one or two layers where are

2028
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:20,239
you at when it comes to this

2029
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:22,719
my question or nathan mike this is our

2030
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:24,159
question for you

2031
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,920
no my son-in-law i don't do that as

2032
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:28,000
anymore

2033
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,679
no i don't care what he uses no that's

2034
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:31,280
why i got daughters as long as it gets

2035
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:31,920
it

2036
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,320
let me know that's that's that's that's

2037
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:36,239
what i used to do brother

2038
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:39,600
i've got i've got son-in-laws now

2039
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:42,719
we're not what they use we are not girls

2040
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:44,480
i don't care if you're using you know

2041
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,560
crystal or spray on as long as it looks

2042
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:48,480
good you know and by the way come on

2043
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,480
hurry up i want to go to get some dinner

2044
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,400
all right make that damn thing clean all

2045
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:54,719
right so for steph for kevin for debs

2046
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:57,360
for money nathan this is dj saying peace

2047
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:00,239
out and for lou elizondo peace out one

2048
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,719
love and we will see you down the road

2049
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:04,400
we're always wondering what's up around

2050
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:06,239
the back very much love the show thank

2051
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:09,170
you so much for having me